[ward8668]

http://espn.go.com/n...dd-haley-new-oc

Kind of an interesting hire.

[tonynation]

Im not surprised though. I dont see him as a typical Steeler. He doesnt bring his lunchpail to work and he's a paranoid asshole. But he knows his stuff. My only thing is im not sure he knows how to coach talent that isnt top teir. When you have a bunch of role players, idk if Haley can handle that management.

[Sideshow91]

ward8668, on February 06 2012, 08:52 PM, said:

http://espn.go.com/n...dd-haley-new-oc

Kind of an interesting hire.

Terrible hire. You know what this is? Let me tell you. Dick Haley was the director of player personel for the Steelers when Art the second was in the scouting department. THey were best buddies. The more I see this the more I think Art is picking a fight with his star QB to send him a message to know his place. It is also WIDELY known that Haley is abrasive and hated around the league by the players he coaches. Great hire.

[ward8668]

Sideshow91, on February 06 2012, 09:24 PM, said:

Terrible hire. You know what this is? Let me tell you. Dick Haley was the director of player personel for the Steelers when Art the second was in the scouting department. THey were best buddies. The more I see this the more I think Art is picking a fight with his star QB to send him a message to know his place. It is also WIDELY known that Haley is abrasive and hated around the league by the players he coaches. Great hire.

I have no problem with sending a message that the ownership runs the franchise and not the players running things. Big Ben is not Peyton Manning, and is not a coach on the field type of player. Roethlisberger's the type of player who's going to give his all on the field because that's in his competitive nature, so I'm not worried about it. He my whine in the offseason or whatever, but I think Haley might be able to do something with that offense. There's a lot there.

BTW, who cares if that's his buddy if he can coach? Networking isn't a bad thing.

[Sideshow91]

ward8668, on February 06 2012, 10:23 PM, said:

I have no problem with sending a message that the ownership runs the franchise and not the players running things. Big Ben is not Peyton Manning, and is not a coach on the field type of player. Roethlisberger's the type of player who's going to give his all on the field because that's in his competitive nature, so I'm not worried about it. He my whine in the offseason or whatever, but I think Haley might be able to do something with that offense. There's a lot there.

BTW, who cares if that's his buddy if he can coach? Networking isn't a bad thing.

Then why pay your franchise QB 100 million dollars? I have no doubts that Roethlisberger will do his job because he's a professional. But why bring in the guy who has a history of rubbing players the wrong way and wearing out his welcome wherever he goes? Not to mention, this move further emasculates the head coach by bring in a personality stronger than his. Do you think Bill Cowher would have allowed this? What I'm seeing this offseason is Art Rooney morphing into Jerry Jones right in front of our eyes.

[ward8668]

Sideshow91, on February 06 2012, 10:46 PM, said:

Then why pay your franchise QB 100 million dollars? I have no doubts that Roethlisberger will do his job because he's a professional. But why bring in the guy who has a history of rubbing players the wrong way and wearing out his welcome wherever he goes? Not to mention, this move further emasculates the head coach by bring in a personality stronger than his. Do you think Bill Cowher would have allowed this? What I'm seeing this offseason is Art Rooney morphing into Jerry Jones right in front of our eyes.

1. Because he's a franchise QB with enough success to warrant the money. His pay has nothing to do with who the OC is.

2. The owners want their $100M investment to last as long as possible, so they'll do whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't continue to be a tackling dummy. If bringing in an abrasive OC with a different style than his predecessor accomplishes that, then it will have been worth it, so long as they win.

3. How do you know Tomlin didn't hire Hayley? Until I see evidence that Rooney jumped over Tomlin to hire him, I'm going to take it verbatim that Tomlin hired the guy.

4. We'll never know whether Cowher would have allowed this because we don't even know whether Tomlin hired the guy or not. So far, Tomlin has hired his own coaching staff and chose to keep Lebeau (although he might have been swayed). Not such a bad thing.

5. And I think you're exaggerating on the Jerrah comparisons.

[Leroy]

Sideshow91, on February 06 2012, 10:46 PM, said:

Then why pay your franchise QB 100 million dollars? I have no doubts that Roethlisberger will do his job because he's a professional. But why bring in the guy who has a history of rubbing players the wrong way and wearing out his welcome wherever he goes? Not to mention, this move further emasculates the head coach by bring in a personality stronger than his. Do you think Bill Cowher would have allowed this? What I'm seeing this offseason is Art Rooney morphing into Jerry Jones right in front of our eyes.

Haley is abrasive, yeah...but he only really wore out his welcome in KC, IMO, and his work in 'Zona can't be denied. On the bright side though, Mr. Ass, this at least shows that the Steelers know their personnel isn't three yards and a cloud of dust. Haley will be airing it out with the weapons on that offense.

[stigmata]

Leroy, on February 07 2012, 07:31 AM, said:

Haley is abrasive, yeah...but he only really wore out his welcome in KC, IMO, and his work in 'Zona can't be denied. On the bright side though, Mr. Ass, this at least shows that the Steelers know their personnel isn't three yards and a cloud of dust. Haley will be airing it out with the weapons on that offense.

To be fair, give me Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald, and I could be a pretty damn good OC, too.

[Sideshow91]

ward8668, on February 07 2012, 03:25 AM, said:

1. Because he's a franchise QB with enough success to warrant the money. His pay has nothing to do with who the OC is.

2. The owners want their $100M investment to last as long as possible, so they'll do whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't continue to be a tackling dummy. If bringing in an abrasive OC with a different style than his predecessor accomplishes that, then it will have been worth it, so long as they win.

3. How do you know Tomlin didn't hire Hayley? Until I see evidence that Rooney jumped over Tomlin to hire him, I'm going to take it verbatim that Tomlin hired the guy.

4. We'll never know whether Cowher would have allowed this because we don't even know whether Tomlin hired the guy or not. So far, Tomlin has hired his own coaching staff and chose to keep Lebeau (although he might have been swayed). Not such a bad thing.

5. And I think you're exaggerating on the Jerrah comparisons.

1. OC have a ton to do with the success of the franchise QB and the offense.

2. I might be able to get on board with that. You need someone to reign in Roelisberger to understand that every play doesn't have to end in a completion or a sack. Incompletions are ok every now and then and learn to fight the next play.

3. Really? Haley's dad and Art the second still remain close friends to this very day. To think that this hire didn't come from the top or at least strongly influenced from the top is naive.

4. I think Tomlin's notion during his job interview that he wanted to keep Lebeau is a major reason he got the job in the first place, which again is influenced from the top. And remember, Cowher won pretty much all the power struggles while he was HC. He gave the team the choice between him and Donahue and the team chose the chin.

5. I don't know, since Art the second has taken over for his dad Dan I've seen some disturbing trends when it comes to the decision making.

[Sideshow91]

Leroy, on February 07 2012, 07:31 AM, said:

Haley is abrasive, yeah...but he only really wore out his welcome in KC, IMO, and his work in 'Zona can't be denied. On the bright side though, Mr. Ass, this at least shows that the Steelers know their personnel isn't three yards and a cloud of dust. Haley will be airing it out with the weapons on that offense.

I also seem to remember issues coming up every other week where Haley and one of his players are screaming at each other on the side line. Not that these guys can't handle being yelled at but the abrasiveness has been there wherever he's been. But I do like his offensive mind in that he does show a history that plays to the strengths of his personel.

[ward8668]

Sideshow91, on February 07 2012, 01:00 PM, said:

1. OC have a ton to do with the success of the franchise QB and the offense.

2. I might be able to get on board with that. You need someone to reign in Roelisberger to understand that every play doesn't have to end in a completion or a sack. Incompletions are ok every now and then and learn to fight the next play.

3. Really? Haley's dad and Art the second still remain close friends to this very day. To think that this hire didn't come from the top or at least strongly influenced from the top is naive.

4. I think Tomlin's notion during his job interview that he wanted to keep Lebeau is a major reason he got the job in the first place, which again is influenced from the top. And remember, Cowher won pretty much all the power struggles while he was HC. He gave the team the choice between him and Donahue and the team chose the chin.

5. I don't know, since Art the second has taken over for his dad Dan I've seen some disturbing trends when it comes to the decision making.

1. Ben was successful with Woody and they didn't seem to like each other much. Ben is a QB, so he wants to air it out. An OC who wants to run is not the QBs friend. I bet you Eli likes the fact that the Giants have a decent running game and can count on it when they need it.

2. I hope you're onboard with Ben being a little smarter with the football and his body, otherwise, he won't make it another 5 years.

3. Yeah, it seems obvioius and might have had influence from above but that's not always a bad thing.

4. Again, how was keeping Lebeau a bad thing?

5. What trends other than your conjecture that his decisions are bad? The Steelers went to a SB and then went 12-4, which (ask Stig) reversed a trend that began under his father's regime.

[BoonDr]

Wasn't it Rooney who decided to let Arians go? Why wouldn't it be him to hire the new guy.

[Sideshow91]

BoonDr, on February 07 2012, 09:55 PM, said:

Wasn't it Rooney who decided to let Arians go? Why wouldn't it be him to hire the new guy.

Correct. I'm just pointing out that fact. There seems to be a perception and for years under Dan and the Chief rightfully so, that the Rooneys hire people and let them make the decisions. Having decisions, other than choosing a head coach and general manager come from the top is new to the Steeler organization.

And over the past 24 hours, after thinking about this hire more and more, I'm kinda changing my stance. I think maybe it was time the Steelers added more of a "bad cop" to the equation of their coaching staff. Plus, Haley does have a track record of playing to his strengths on Offense. In Arizona he was successful with Warner slinging the ball all over the place and in KC they were the #1 rushing OF last season.

[ward8668]

Sideshow91, on February 08 2012, 11:20 AM, said:

Correct. I'm just pointing out that fact. There seems to be a perception and for years under Dan and the Chief rightfully so, that the Rooneys hire people and let them make the decisions. Having decisions, other than choosing a head coach and general manager come from the top is new to the Steeler organization.

And over the past 24 hours, after thinking about this hire more and more, I'm kinda changing my stance. I think maybe it was time the Steelers added more of a "bad cop" to the equation of their coaching staff. Plus, Haley does have a track record of playing to his strengths on Offense. In Arizona he was successful with Warner slinging the ball all over the place and in KC they were the #1 rushing OF last season.

I think you're buying into the perceptions of the Rooney family and how they run their organization vs. the reality of the situation. Do you think Chuck Noll left because he wanted to retire? And if so, do you think it was the GM making the decision? Do you think Chuck Noll wasn't over ridden by the Chief on Rocky Blier and Franco Harris? Do you think the Rooney's let Noll hire and fire Joe Walton? Do you think the Rooneys had anything to do with the retention of Dick Lebeau? If you answered yes to these questions, you're being naive. In other words, this isn't anything new and while the Rooneys may be more trusting of their people to make decisions, you better believe they're going to step in when they feel a need to impart their influence, as any good manager/leader/owner of a business would.